Comments on: So, what’s an OLAP Cube, anyway? ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/ XLCubed Blog Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:39:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.3.21 By: Vamsi ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-127 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:12:46 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-127 Hi This is an awesome explanation. I have bits and pieces knowledge on this. But now i am able to confirm on certain topics. I should say i got lot of clarity after going through this article.

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By: The basic strucure of a cube | More Information per Pixel ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-126 Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:24:54 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-126 […] to my RSS feed. Thanks for visiting!This week we’ll take a look at the basic structure of a cube from an end user perspective, as opposed to the architectural underpinnings. This is intended as a high level overview, and for […]

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By: Jorge Ceballos ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-125 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:58:14 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-125 @Andreas

I enjoyed your reply. And you took the next step bringing in Gemini. I’d like to know your thoughts about how XLCubed would position strategically once Gemini is available.

Regards,

Jorge

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By: Andreas ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-124 Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:08:13 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-124 @Jorge Ceballo

You are right mentioning that there are already good in memory (OLAP like) technologies available like Qliktech, PALO, TM1 or the good old PivotTable which one to use, well, it all depends on the user requirements and how deep (if at all) IT is involved in the project.

SAP BW is a problem, because changing structures in SAP BW is hard, and also response times of SAP BW cubes are slow. However, this is not true for OLAP in general, in simple PivotTable / spreadmart scenario a Analysis Services local cubes also would do, its easy to build with the Excel build in wizard, and brings you all the advantages and flexibility of a real OLAP / MDX enabled cube. I will post the next week or so about local Analysis Services cubes, OLAP, MDX and XLCubed.

Another interesting in memory technology will be Gemini the upcoming Analysis Services release…

http://blog.xlcubed.com/gemini-smarter-excel-dashboards-with-end-user-bi/

Gemini is all about the collaboration between IT and the departmental end users. As Nigel Pendse puts it Micosoft uses Gemini as a Trojan horse to bring for Analysis Services into the world of Excel power users:

“Gemini world is refreshingly free of the off-putting jargon like star/snowflake schemas, fact tables, cubes, measures, dimensions, hierarchies, levels, attributes, aggregations, partitions, MDX calculations and scripts typically encountered in OLAP server deployments. Instead, Excel power users with Gemini installed will be able to analyze and summarize vast amounts of data with absolutely no need to pre-define models or structures.”

http://www.olapreport.com/Comment_Gemini.htm

Andreas

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By: Jorge ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-123 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:46:08 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-123 @Alvaro: the need for redundancy is something that I am aware of, but it is not easy to make the mental switch from my Excel background…

@Jorge: I understand your point. I believe that what XLCubed does is to put OLAP technology in the hands of the user, removing IT from the equation (they still need to provide and manage infrastructure), but I’m still learning and I need to see how everything fits together. Andreas will have a much more insightful comment on this.

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By: Jorge Ceballos ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-122 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:03:28 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-122 Jorge,

I disagree with your comment regarding real-time queries on large datasets “it is not an option”. Cubes might have been an answer back in the 70’s where clien’ts hadn’t the processing power of today.

They also lack flexibility to modify/update (just ask anyone running SAP BW). Taking a step back, I ask the question: Do we need today to pre-define the answers in the OLAP fashion?

While today it is true that most enterprise-class offerings use OLAP cubes, it’s also know of the overhead that comes with them and why they typically turn into an IT project.

Excluding the fact that there is already viable technology WITHOUT OLAP cubes such as Qliktech / Pivot link (amongst others see Gartnter / AMR Research) paints an incomplete picture, in my opinion.

I believe that focusing less on the technologies (MOLAP/ROLAP/HOLAP…. and so on) and discussin HOW to enable collaboration between IT and the business, the first to provide infrastructure and access to business-readable data, and the later becoming capable on creating its own reports would be a much more interesting and applicable topic.

Regards,

Jorge

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By: Alvaro Ledesma ../../../../2008/11/so-whats-an-olap-cube-anyway/#comment-121 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:57:53 +0000 http://blog.xlcubed.com/?p=168#comment-121 I started this same journey 5 years ago and I was confused because I was coming from the world of databases and datasets that are suppose to be efficient by avoiding as much as possible redundancy and being design to be easily updateable. So from the prospective of someone that was trying to understand OLAP and hit some rocks I suggest you make sure to mention: OLAP is more efficient in analysis speed (hence the name) but in terms of data redundancy there are lots of data repetition. On the other hand its brother OLTP is efficient in terms of data entry and avoiding redundancy (is meant for transactions) but as you mentioned, is not optimized for analysis. I mention this because you said “condensed version of dataset” and sometimes, when exploring the underlying dataset of a cube you see a lot of repetition, which is counterintuitive.

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